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you know one of the things that is

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pretty unique and about your show and

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your approach is it's this two-part

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thing where you engage people in a

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storytelling component or they're just

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basically telling their story and then a

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second part where you're and I love this

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I mean you're engaging right you're

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doing what I guess I wanted to hear and

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what I was advocating before is you're

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engaging them and poking them and not in

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a confrontational way but just in a way

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of saying hey how does this really

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relate you're engaging them in the

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process that they went through

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you're not leaving it at story you know

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because I think we do that too much we

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we we so want to say your experience

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your experience and part of that is a

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very appropriate response to this

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biological robot meaningless universe

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thing that says you have no experience

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oh that's not even really you know

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really when we get down to it you don't

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really have an experience so we need to

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celebrate the fact that we do have

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experience but then I like where you're

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at which is coming around it at the at

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the end and say okay let's dive in and

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let's put a whole process which you do

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in the weeks beyond the the story in

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terms of deconstructing that story and

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what the lessons are and how we move

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forward from it so can you talk to all

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of that and what you're trying to do and

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how you see that going yeah it really

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follows a lot of other things that I

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believe and inform my work I've tried to

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translate into media and so we start

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with the story because I want people to

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feel what that person went through but

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it's but nobody will deny someone's

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experience right like if someone has a

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near-death experience and you hear the

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story and it's a compelling story you're

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not gonna say all that didn't happen

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you're just gonna say you know if you're

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skeptical or you're a materialist you

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might say well I'm gonna try to explain

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how this happened but you might still

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engage with the story and by doing that

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what we're doing is we're disarming

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people from from a

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immediately rejecting the content

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outright we're bringing them on a

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journey we're having them feel what it

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feels like by identifying with the

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character in the story who's a real

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person and in going on that journey so

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so in in in a sense the story enables

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the initial transformation through

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emotion the follow-up interview is to

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then inform some of the the process some

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of the how some of the the details that

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went there some of the more tangible

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stuff so that people can then not only

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feel it but then have something to walk

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away with and then of course every week

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thereafter we send follow-up content and

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we're always deconstructing over the

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course of the month because we want to

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keep that process going keep keep

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expanding those those those avenues and

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opening people up so so we're really

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it's it is very thought-out is it gonna

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work I don't know it's still too early

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it'll probably look different in the

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future but that's kind of the goal is

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how do we use media in a way that can

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help somebody actually go on a

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transforming experience how can they how

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can I get somebody in an episode in over

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a course of a month to go from skeptical

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episode one to skip so skeptical episode

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400 and feel okay about that and so some

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of those topics I want to be getting

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into or some of these bigger topics and

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you know things like near-death

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experience

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mediumship you know the reincarnation

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stuff like these some of these things

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that I find a really fascinating

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philosophy Bernardo Kass trips work like

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this I want to bring that into an

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environment where we can deconstruct it

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through a story so people have reference

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they won't deny it they won't say this

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is not true they can make their

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determination about it but I'm trying to

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kind of find that way of helping them

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take a step forward without it being an

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immediate rejection so this is BS or you

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know it is just not possible that's

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awesome it really is and it shines

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through just brilliantly in the first

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two episodes which are terrific and

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really encourage people to check out

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transcend experience it's pretty easy to

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find you'll find it in the show notes so

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Jeff and the time that we have left and

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you know tell us more about you you did

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kind of tee up where you're going with

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this tell us how it's going so far you

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said it kind of

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gotten off to a really good start which

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is great news so how is it going it's

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it's a process I mean I'm treating this

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like like a startup company in the sense

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of how I'm approaching it so it's a lot

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of learning a lot of failing as quickly

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as I can and and that means that there's

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some tough days working on it but every

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day at the end I walk away grateful that

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I get to do this and it's something I'm

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really proud of and excited about and

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it's something I'm happy to talk about

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when someone asked me what do you do I

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actually if something I can share now

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that that feels good and and my wife

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won't get mad at me for being creepy so

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yeah I don't know where it's gonna go

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you know what does it gonna look like in

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10 years I don't know but I have a 10

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year time horizon I'm not gonna let up

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on this project I think it's worthwhile

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and I think there's some really exciting

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opportunities to explore people's

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experience but do it in a way that takes

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that next step and and so keep chugging

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along and being right there and having

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my own transformation through the

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process and continuing to you know be

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curious about that question of what does

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it mean to transcend and we'll see where

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it goes